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Old 12-02-2009, 07:19 PM
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Too many go into a career as a display falconer without the many years of training it needs. You need a proper grounding in REAL falconry first. You need to be able to answer every question propperly, your standards need to be of the highest order. I am afraid the standard of displays in this country is appaling in many cases. Dont add to it. Get a proper job first and learn and enjoy your hawking, when you really know what you are doing, consider it again.

What utter **** ! My missus manages a pub, I'm a cleaner at a local leisure center early in the morning and have been volunteering in falconry for just over two years and as of march will be payed to do the job I love. So firstly it all depends on the persons circumstances at the time, secondly Ive learned more in just a couple of years working with anything from American kestrels all the way up to golden eagles than I ever would hunting a Harris season after season. I consider it a proper job and these people (not suggesting your one of them) who catch the odd rabbit with a Harris but would brick it at the thought of flying, talking, reading weather conditions and keeping an eye on large crowds of people don't regard us as proper falconers. Nothing annoys me more. and believe it or not us display falconers actually hunt our birds as well !!
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Old 12-02-2009, 07:30 PM
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Thanks for your comment...iv done a course and stuff and am looking for a mentor perhaps?? I just think maybe in the furture I could be a display falconry sumwhere???

Maybe ur right they du talk sense most of the tym haha !!!


Thanks agen
Mate, A local lad of 14 has recently taken on a female Harris hawk and yes he lives on a farm and yes he has supportive parents, but all he's ever learned from is reading books and the odd bit off advice from my boss. He'd never even picked up a bird before and through hard work, enthusiasm and spending lots of time with her he's ended up with a fantastic bird. So if its what you want to do weather it be your own bird or working at a center then just get out there and do it. Someone told me many years ago not to do it because its specialist, hard work and doesn't pay well, and I just though what a d**k head and now I'm doing what I . life's to short just to get up every day and do a job you hate.

P.s - ever thought about pest control ?

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Old 12-02-2009, 09:36 PM
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L8ly I have been seriously considering a career in Falconry but am unsure!Both my parents say tht there is no money in it and dnt regaurd it as a career so they dnt wnt me to persue it. I want to wrk in Wildlife and the Environment and had in mind a job on a nature reserve type thing perhaps as a warden or conservation officer??but arfter looking into it i have learnt that its a difficult area to get into as there are more applicants than there are postions avaliable plus every1 seems to need degrees nowdays!!...So anyways now im looking into a career in FALCONRY!

Has any1 any advice.....anything atal eg..routes into a job....types of wrk ??...ANYTHING!!!!!!!


I no Iv waffled on a bit soooooo rl shut uppp haha


Thanks

My opinion is - There isn't much money in falconry and there are only a few people doing VERY well for themselves but I suspect that a few others are doing ok at it. - very much the minority.
It is a career - I think that the recent economic climate has made some of us aware of how precarious a falconry career can be.

If you think that you want to work at a centre be careful - some centres are just ****. You'll not do much more that clean and fetch and carry. The thrill of working around birds will wear off quickly. Other centres are good and will teach you a lot if you can get a job there.

Pest control will require good abilities with a bird at the very least and probably experience flying - hunting and retrieving falcons - do you have that experience?

Breeding - You'll need space for aviaries, money to buy birds, incubators, artificial insemination knowledge, a safetly net if birds fail to breed. Or if you work for a breeder - you'll need the experience to do all of the above without having to fund it but you probably won't fly a bird at all in your job.

If the falconry career doesn't work out, then what?

Maybe just somethings to think about. At the start of a falconry career you'll work like a dog and not get paid much more.
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Old 12-02-2009, 09:40 PM
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Another option is to become a volunteer on one of the high-profile raptor conservation projects around the world. Some of them have ornithological laboratories where the incubation and brooding is done and where you would learn avicultural skills; some projects are involved in other stages, such as hacking, and require hack site attendants to watch over youngsters and ensure that mongooses or wild raptors don't get them. Other projects are rehabilitation centres - there you would learn how best to set up your facility with weatherings, moult pens, breeding chambers and seclusion pens; I think the University of Minnesota's is where Pat Redig works and is a very eminent place where you may learn the application of falconry techniques in one of their widest possible contexts. You may find, for example, that, if you work as a volunteer on the San Diego Zoo California Condor Project you are learning applied avicultural skills/raptor conservation in a laboratory environment - you may discover that you have a passion for laboratory work or ornithology. That, in turn, could lead to your doing a degree at Oxford and joining Wildcru!
I've found that fieldwork is not sexy nor glamorous. Do it because you're a passionate field man or don't do it. Do it because you might get a paper out of it and therefore some professional kudos. But be prepared to be bitten, stung, sweaty, dirty, itchy, talked down to and other antisocial things.
I started out several years ago on the Mauritius kestrel project when that was at its highest profile (international team of raptor biologists; living in a tented camp in MaccabÚ forest, working as a voluntary hack site attendant and sometimes in the laboratory; killing things). Some of those personnel need no introduction and have remained where they are because they founded their respective organisations (eg Tom Cade); others have been lucky enough to remain as raptor biologists in the UK. Many were/are falconers.
After Mauritius I went on other projects and then did my degrees and then worked in admin before telling myself enough was enough and high-tailing it out to Brazil where I founded the Pantanal Institute. I now enjoy some involvement with Neotropical raptors, but raptor biology is not my bread-and-butter - yet. Instead, I teach and translate the work of other raptor biologists. We are developing other courses but it'll be a while before I'm a practicing raptor biologist or professional falconer or whatever. I just dig being around things with hooked beaks. On the plus side, I do love what I do now, even if it's not all creances and washed meat, all the time.
What I would definitely say, though, is travel and hook up with a genuine conservation project for a season, preferably in the tropics.

Hope this helps.
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Old 12-02-2009, 10:01 PM
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What utter **** ! My missus manages a pub, I'm a cleaner at a local leisure center early in the morning and have been volunteering in falconry for just over two years and as of march will be payed to do the job I love. So firstly it all depends on the persons circumstances at the time, secondly Ive learned more in just a couple of years working with anything from American kestrels all the way up to golden eagles than I ever would hunting a Harris season after season. I consider it a proper job and these people (not suggesting your one of them) who catch the odd rabbit with a Harris but would brick it at the thought of flying, talking, reading weather conditions and keeping an eye on large crowds of people don't regard us as proper falconers. Nothing annoys me more. and believe it or not us display falconers actually hunt our birds as well !!
To your response to David Rampling... David is spot on, in two years you will know nothing really. Your daft reply says it all.. Keeping an eye on large crowds?? Brick it?? Perhaps when you have done birds for as many years as David and myself then you will know how it works.. I bet you catch Woodcock all round when you are not displaying ...after few years experience. I expect a good response. Have a good think..
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Old 12-02-2009, 10:20 PM
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Mate, A local lad of 14 has recently taken on a female Harris hawk and yes he lives on a farm and yes he has supportive parents, but all he's ever learned from is reading books and the odd bit off advice from my boss. He'd never even picked up a bird before and through hard work, enthusiasm and spending lots of time with her he's ended up with a fantastic bird. So if its what you want to do weather it be your own bird or working at a center then just get out there and do it. Someone told me many years ago not to do it because its specialist, hard work and doesn't pay well, and I just though what a d**k head and now I'm doing what I . life's to short just to get up every day and do a job you hate.

p.s - ever thought about pest control ?

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Old 12-02-2009, 10:34 PM
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have been volunteering in falconry for just over two years and as of march will be payed to do the job I love. QUOTE]
I'm just thinking that it might be important to note that Harris 91's profile says he is a student which I assume means he's still at school. The advice he receives at this point is quite important in terms of both job satisfaction and a secure financial future. I wouldn't personally be encouraging him on a path where he worked for two years without getting paid at all....especially when it's also contrary to his parent's advice.


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Old 12-02-2009, 10:37 PM
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What utter **** ! My missus manages a pub, I'm a cleaner at a local leisure center early in the morning and have been volunteering in falconry for just over two years and as of march will be payed to do the job I love. So firstly it all depends on the persons circumstances at the time, secondly Ive learned more in just a couple of years working with anything from American kestrels all the way up to golden eagles than I ever would hunting a Harris season after season. I consider it a proper job and these people (not suggesting your one of them) who catch the odd rabbit with a Harris but would brick it at the thought of flying, talking, reading weather conditions and keeping an eye on large crowds of people don't regard us as proper falconers. Nothing annoys me more. and believe it or not us display falconers actually hunt our birds as well !!
Well , i personaly think you will read this post and cringe ! in a few years.....you may have handled , you may fly a few birds , you may even be able to talk to the public , however the above post as a reply to Davids genuine suggestion shows just how little experience you have actually got.........he aint suggesting flying a harris catching a few bunnys , has talking about realy learning about falconry , hunting differing game , the plus and the minus of it all , how to handle much much more than you yourself are ,infact what hes talking about is something beyond your perception ,this will be learned over a few years of flying and hunting. as against as yourself whos probably , flying pre trained pre handled birds , being heavily guided by some one , your the typical 2 minute wonder , in in all honesty i doubt your very knowlegable...but hey , that dont matter as long as you can quote ! parrot fashion...................

Harris 91.......making money in falconry is not easy son , but in life theres only one person that can make you happy , and thats you...so theres nothing wrong in chasing your dream and trying , just ensure youve something to fall back on ( qualifications)....2 years in this game isnt a long time , after more than 25 years of actively hunting gosses and falcons i learn a new trick every day ,ive done displays etc for favours , but its not for me , my opinon is , if you can find someone near who hunts regular ( pref falcons or gosses ) and has done for many years you will learn more about falconry in a few months,than if you spend 2 years picking up pre trained birds and flying for the public, at a centre...atb col
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Old 13-02-2009, 04:32 AM
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What utter **** ! My missus manages a pub, I'm a cleaner at a local leisure center early in the morning and have been volunteering in falconry for just over two years and as of march will be payed to do the job I love. So firstly it all depends on the persons circumstances at the time, secondly Ive learned more in just a couple of years working with anything from American kestrels all the way up to golden eagles than I ever would hunting a Harris season after season. I consider it a proper job and these people (not suggesting your one of them) who catch the odd rabbit with a Harris but would brick it at the thought of flying, talking, reading weather conditions and keeping an eye on large crowds of people don't regard us as proper falconers. Nothing annoys me more. and believe it or not us display falconers actually hunt our birds as well !!
See to me that is utter ****!
I think what David is getting at is you should have a grounding in proper Falconry first, but I like the way you assume thats a couple of seasons with a Harris! How sad it is that should be the definition of proper Falconry!! Then you quote some lad in another post who gets a Harris!!!
A grounding in proper Falconry IN MY EYES would be hunting VARIOUS different raptors over a good few seasons, getting out with experienced folk who HUNT with their raptors.
I feel I can comment on this as when I was 17 (14 years ago), I did exactly what the originator in this post wanted to, I got a job as a Falconer for the (then) National School of Falconry. Daily I would either be involved in one of their pest control contracts or taking people on Hawk Walks or involved in hunting days (as well as all the poopy jobs possible) - I loved it but there was NO money in it and I wasn't paid - thats not a job!
All to often people are told to get to their local centre to volunteer and whilst that may teach you how to handle birds of prey it doesn't teach you Falconry in its true meaning.
"Display Falconer" indeed! there is a contradiction in terms if ever I heard it! thats like saying "Car Polisher Driver", IE you get to polish lots of cars but the only one you drive is the garages Vauxhall Astra, or in the case of a most centres you only hunt with Harrises! Yes good displays wow members of the public who know nothing of birds of prey, but don't suddenly think you're gods gift to all things Raptor! I've done it and it wasn't hard!

My advice to the originator like others (including your folks) is get a job that allows you time and money to get the raptor of your choice and hunt with it - centres are all well and good but all to often when I have been there is some teenager (yep that was me once but at least i'd done it on my own first) telling me how the birds hunt having never seen a Long or Shortwing do so, like David I would like to see a credible FALCONER at the helm, not the local kids.

Now the "DISPLAY FALCONERS" can jump on my back....
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Old 13-02-2009, 08:00 AM
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It all depends on how serious you are about falconry as a career. Thats it!

If nothing else will do, then go for it with all your heart. Its true that not many people make truckloads of cash out of it, and when you get to the position where money gets better, it becomes a nasty business just like everything else with politics and back biting galore.

For a youngster like yourself, the best route would be to start working at a centre to broaden your knowledge on the various raptor groups and thier behaviour in a hands-on environment. At the same time you can start hunting, giving intensive attention to one bird at a time. A harris for a season, a gos for a season, a longwing, etc. In the meantime you meet people in the business and maybe get involved in the breeding side. After a few years of earning peanuts and learning all you can, you might be in the position to start your own business or at least join an existing concern for better money.

Dont let any of the doom prophets put you off. If its your passion and dream, go for it!!!
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