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Old 29-11-2010, 04:34 AM
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William, the older traditional guys still prefer pure female sakers like their fathers before them, but I'd say for every one pure saker or peregrine flown, nine hybrids are flown. Especially 3/4 and 7/8 Gyr x Sakers are very popular due to their size and speed. I'm speaking from what I've seen in the UAE only.

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You mean 3/4 and 7/8 gyr x pere is the most popular......
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Old 29-11-2010, 07:29 AM
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Not sure of the 1st pic. 2nd pic is Altai. 3rd pic the bird on the right is Altai, the left one not.
And what makes you guess its an Altai?
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Old 29-11-2010, 07:41 AM
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you mean 3/4 and 7/8 gyr x pere is the most popular......
I've only ever seen 50/50 Gyr peregrines.
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Old 29-11-2010, 09:47 AM
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And what makes you guess its an Altai?
"Sinjari is the highly prized, rare, dark morph Altai Saker (The Altai Falcon was the favorite of Atilla the Hun). The Altai Falcon is thought to be a large subspecies originating from the Altai Mountain region in Central Asia."

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http://falconryforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=91281 theses are black sakers
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I dunno, dude...
Something a little too black there...
A little too much peregrine in the face on the close-up shot...
And that chick is far from black, nor will he ever be...

Nice birds, don't get me wrong!
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I dunno, dude...
Something a little too black there...
A little too much peregrine in the face on the close-up shot...
And that chick is far from black, nor will he ever be...

Nice birds, don't get me wrong!
exatly thay look to good to be true clourashion wise tha why i put the wee thing
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Old 29-11-2010, 12:59 PM
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I dunno, dude...
Something a little too black there...
A little too much peregrine in the face on the close-up shot...
And that chick is far from black, nor will he ever be...

Nice birds, don't get me wrong!
Agree with you. No way those are pure sakers.
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Old 30-11-2010, 03:42 AM
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Talking about big saker, Mr. Xiao Qu Qu of Ninsha, China bought this saker in southern Ninsha (northern Tibet) last fall. Trap weight was unknown, but the weight after about one week was 1650 g. Many dealers from Pakistan and Afghanistan show up in these area after Eid ul-Fitr. These dealers pay extra money for sakers from this area. Because Chinese government tighten the enforcement last year. No dealers showed up, that's how Mr. Xiao Qu Qu got this bird. Because this bird ate too much, he had to release it.


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Old 30-11-2010, 08:39 AM
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"Sinjari is the highly prized, rare, dark morph Altai Saker (The Altai Falcon was the favorite of Atilla the Hun). The Altai Falcon is thought to be a large subspecies originating from the Altai Mountain region in Central Asia."

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Dear Jannes,

These days with the number of captive bred birds and hybrids floating around, its very difficult to tell a hacked bird from a passager, and the task becomes even more difficult in the case of trained birds.

Like I have said before, not every big, dark and melanistic saker is an Altai. The difference lies in more than just the plumage and size. The true Altai sakers (caught in western China and Kazakhstan), that I have seen has some features which differentiated them from most other sakers.

They have a rather aquiline head with deep set eyes and a longish beak. The tarsi are often lightly feathered and sometimes they even have feathers between the toes. The wings and tail are quite gyrlike - the former rather rounded compared to other sakers, and the latter has a very broad base, rather long and tapers in a fashion most similar to a gyr's. Subsequently, the proportion of the two - wings and tail - are also very similar to gyr's. The most striking resemblance perhaps is the vocalisation when they are stressed, which a harsh, loud, metallic, grating, "kank-kank-kank-kank" compared to saker's, "kack-kack-kack-kack".

The flight style of the one true Altai that I had seen flown at quarry was also rather gyrlike, with the falcon preferring to take long slips and fly away from the houbara, gain height, and then mow it down most of the time in a long , but very fast and shallow stoop, pumping her wings and gaining speed all the way. Later in the season, when flying wily, falcon-wisined houbara, this bird developed another technique, which was very reminiscent of wild red shaheens flying pigeons. She would stoop below and behind the bird, and the bind to it from underneath, as she was pulling up out of the stoop. My friend had this bird for about three months before he lost her during a flight at a houbara on passage. (Her prowess had him overconfident, and he flew her during the return migration period in spring).
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