Falconry Forum (IFF)


Go Back   Falconry Forum (IFF) > NON FALCONRY TOPICS > Non Falconry, Hobbies, Congratulations & Artwork

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old 31-03-2008, 02:35 AM
Rabbit Killer's Avatar
Rabbit Killer Rabbit Killer is offline
Robbie
Passage
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Lost World
Posts: 1,088
Default Re: Raptor culling in the UK - Shooting Times

Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve W View Post
Certainly does, this article almost gives them the go ahead to start wiping out the natural food chain, all to suite an unaturally cultivated sport. The Bops they want to kill are Goshawks, Buzzards, Kites and peregrines. I can't believe they even published this article in such a high profiel magazine!!!
Nothing surprises me in this Country.
They've brought Kites in to replenish the dying few that were left and someone has suggested culling Kites ?
Kites do no damage whatsover, they are scavengers.

But now comes my argument, I've banged on for ages about this :

WHEN ARE YOU - RSPB, GOING TO ACT RESPONSIBLY IN YOUR CAPACITY AS A CHARITY AND CARER OF WILD BIRDS AND SANCTION SOME COMMON SENSE TO THIS WHOLE DEBATE.

All I want is some " COMMON SENSE " applied to this matter.

Is that to much to ask ?

If there is a problem with Raptors, when will you apply the " Common Sense Rule" and support a wild take ?

You can keep your Buzzards, we falconers dont want them, but please apply some "Common Sense" to the Goshawk/Peregrine debate if there is an issue.

After all, lost Falconry birds have helped bring this Countrys Peregines and Goshawks back to a healthy population.

Assuming it to be true, please help authorise a controlled and fully licensed wild take.

In this day and age, Falconers are no threat to wild bird populations, work with us, rather than against us and help solve the situation.
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 31-03-2008, 02:38 AM
Rabbit Killer's Avatar
Rabbit Killer Rabbit Killer is offline
Robbie
Passage
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Lost World
Posts: 1,088
Default Re: Raptor culling in the UK - Shooting Times

Quote:
Originally Posted by OutHawkn View Post
So why not use this to your advantage. Agree with them that it is time to start culling raptors and the BEST way to do that is to allow you guys to take wild raptors for falconry..............
The authorities over here are very stubborn and mind set.

We all know its the right thing to do, but it will never happen I'm afraid.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 31-03-2008, 03:11 AM
Eagle Owl's Avatar
Eagle Owl Eagle Owl is offline
Brandi - Moderator
Haggard
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: North Texas
Posts: 8,913
Default Re: Raptor culling in the UK - Shooting Times

Thread moved to correct section.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 31-03-2008, 08:55 AM
Graham Irving's Avatar
Graham Irving Graham Irving is offline
Club Representative
Passage
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Not far From Kings Lynn, Norfolk.
Posts: 835
Default Re: Raptor culling in the UK - Shooting Times

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rabbit Killer View Post
Nothing surprises me in this Country.
They've brought Kites in to replenish the dying few that were left and someone has suggested culling Kites ?
Kites do no damage whatsover, they are scavengers.

But now comes my argument, I've banged on for ages about this :

WHEN ARE YOU - RSPB, GOING TO ACT RESPONSIBLY IN YOUR CAPACITY AS A CHARITY AND CARER OF WILD BIRDS AND SANCTION SOME COMMON SENSE TO THIS WHOLE DEBATE.

All I want is some " COMMON SENSE " applied to this matter.

Is that to much to ask ?

If there is a problem with Raptors, when will you apply the " Common Sense Rule" and support a wild take ?

You can keep your Buzzards, we falconers dont want them, but please apply some "Common Sense" to the Goshawk/Peregrine debate if there is an issue.

After all, lost Falconry birds have helped bring this Countrys Peregines and Goshawks back to a healthy population.

Assuming it to be true, please help authorise a controlled and fully licensed wild take.

In this day and age, Falconers are no threat to wild bird populations, work with us, rather than against us and help solve the situation.

The RSPB are only part of the equation, dont forget that it is the combined bodies and specialists within DEFRA, JNCC and NE that control any action to control or allow a wild take of raptors. The RSPB can agree or disagree about controling raptors, but at the end of the day it is the 3 above mentioned bodies that have the final say on the subject.

Graham
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 31-03-2008, 10:37 AM
CotswoldRedtail's Avatar
CotswoldRedtail CotswoldRedtail is offline
Ash Lawson
Passage
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Suffolk
Posts: 2,257
Default Re: Raptor culling in the UK - Shooting Times

Quote:
Originally Posted by longvings View Post
reasonable point m8! but? rearing none indigeonous pheasants by the thousand in a reletavly small area is a magnet to some predetors like goshawks, so what do people expect? of course the local gosses will have a field day feasting on them, taking more than they need and causing consternation to the keeper, i would be ****ed off. but as the law stands????
Yeah sorry, my original post was a bit of a rant. I realise that attitude is a couple of hundred years too late, if we'd left well alone in the first place and just integrated then it would be ok but now we do need some constructive action. problem is the people in power or with influence very often have no idea what it's like on the ground, and only listen to one very jaded side of the story. guess it's down to us with a non biased view (and yeah I do believe that TRUE falconers have a non biased view) to right the wrongs, present all the facts, and campaign for the right course of action. just a shame that the like of the RSPB have become so powerful and yet so wrong.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 31-03-2008, 11:00 AM
OutHawkn's Avatar
OutHawkn OutHawkn is offline
Bill
Passage
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 2,707
Default Re: Raptor culling in the UK - Shooting Times

Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve W View Post
Might be a good idea. The problem is that in the Uk all our Goshawks where wiped out in the 1800's then they made a bit of a come back and they where wiped out again by pesticide use. The amount of game birds they take is tiny.
I agree with you but these guy's dont. So rather than argue with them just agree and offer a solution to their problem. Boths side would win....
__________________
atb,
Bill
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 31-03-2008, 11:05 AM
OutHawkn's Avatar
OutHawkn OutHawkn is offline
Bill
Passage
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 2,707
Default Re: Raptor culling in the UK - Shooting Times

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rabbit Killer View Post
The authorities over here are very stubborn and mind set.

We all know its the right thing to do, but it will never happen I'm afraid.
It must be frustrating for you guy's................
__________________
atb,
Bill
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 31-03-2008, 04:30 PM
Baywing's Avatar
Baywing Baywing is offline
Suzie Hill
Brancher
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Kent
Posts: 256
Default Re: Raptor culling in the UK - Shooting Times

Yeh 'The Field' magazine is at it as well - about the decline in Grey Partridge - Game keepers blaming sparrow hawks and buzzards, farmers saying 'we have lost the balance, raptors are the case in point' and Lord Coke saying 'the hawks keep hammering them' with a picture of a sparrow hawk on a kill.

Although it does balance it with that fact that changes in land management, use of herbicides etc plays a part - but I'm still concerned about the knee jerk response of the above statements
Baywing
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 31-03-2008, 05:53 PM
Steve W's Avatar
Steve W Steve W is offline
Steve
Brancher
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: West Sussex
Posts: 168
Default Re: Raptor culling in the UK - Shooting Times

All good responses guys but the situation remains the same and will get worse. This is the thin and of the wedge. I used to be a keeper on a big estate twenty years ago, then the keeper where at best trying to understand the concept of the food chain and at worst slaughtered everything with teeth and talons! I started falconry at the time and was treated with suspicion and most couldn't understand why I wanted to fly a Bop and not shoot it!!
Although things have changed but not that much.
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 31-03-2008, 06:14 PM
Onyx25 Onyx25 is offline
Titus
Passage
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: hampshire
Posts: 2,033
Default Re: Raptor culling in the UK - Shooting Times

Total hypocrasy this ****es me off,
Shoot all the foxes, squirells, maggies crows, pigeons oh but dont' touch our precious raptors! Im sorry but those who have any sense will know a wild goss nesting above a pheasant pen = 0 pheasants! (that all of us will happily hunt ) what are keepers supposed to do? I will not advocate culling but catch and release (hopefully into my mews ) should be looked at.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
culling, raptor, shooting, times, uk

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 08:03 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.