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Old 02-03-2018, 07:27 AM
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Snowflakes are running this world now.

'....Listen up maggots. You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else.........'


Respect to Tyler Durden. But the term began and ended there.
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Old 02-03-2018, 08:09 AM
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It would be beneficial if those "pet" keepers and breeders who keep their charges in appalling conditions were to be visited and shut down but there has been legislation in place for years that should have dealt with them.
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Ive never heard anything as daft as this,if it comes in it will cause a lot of problems
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Old 14-03-2018, 10:07 PM
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A suggested letter to your Member of Parliament regarding the Amendments to the Animal Welfare Act. Please edit and use as you see fit.
Dear
I write to you as my Member of Parliament to express the anger I feel at the manner in which DEFRA has proceeded with the proposed amendments to the Animal Welfare Act that currently stand in statutory instrument before Parliament.
I am informed by those who have taken legal advice on this matter that whilst it is clear that DEFRA has consulted according to their statutory remit, they have not done so effectively, fairly, nor in the spirit of openness.
After the public consultation in 2015, that was far from clear in its intended scope, DEFRA failed to constitute the expert panel with appropriate expertise from the bird of prey fraternity. I point out that a single representative from the ‘pet industry’ does not suffice - birds of prey are not pets and whilst it may be convenient to categorise them as such for legislative purposes, it has no veracity and the representative had no expertise.
The amendments to the Animal Welfare Act as they relate to birds of prey will be much less effective having bypassed those very practitioners who could have contributed the most.
Some of us have now had sight of the revised guidance notes that will accompany the legislation. Even here there has been no effective sharing with stakeholders, instead they have been drip-fed to selected members of the fraternity with instruction not to share. We are told that we have until Friday 16th March to make comment.
I observe that relating to the licensing requirement that will capture professionals and many hobbyists, the criteria being proposed are vague and contradictory, so much so that each local authority and its inspectors will have to interpret rather than be guided clearly. This is plainly open to subjectivity and ideological interference.
The Small Business Impact Assessment that accompanies the proposals is fantasy. Keeping birds of prey requires specialist attention - local authorities do not have this and training inspectors will be time consuming and expensive. Far from having little impact, what is now before Parliament is likely to put a number of small scale commercial breeders and other bird of prey enterprises out of business and if as I suspect, hobbyists are captured by the legislation despite ostensively being ‘out of scope’, the imposition is intolerable.
There are many other issues that will arise from these poorly written and ill considered amendments and the associated guidance.
Falconers, breeders, educationists, display givers, bird abatement and pest controllers have always conducted their relationships with DEFRA as honest and constructive stakeholders. To be bypassed in consultation so systematically has caused anger and frustration. I believe that for civil servants to ignore appropriate and freely available expertise is negligent.
We are advocates of high welfare standards and will continue working with the Sustainable Users Network, the Countryside Alliance and others, to have our voice heard.
I ask you to represent me by seeking that the Minister addresses my concerns and requesting that DEFRA reconsider its engagement to ensure that the amendments before Parliament will actually promote an improvement in welfare for our birds of prey. The current ignorant and ill-judged proposals will penalise amateur and professional keepers alike and do little to address the stated objective of welfare.
Yours sincerely,
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Old 14-04-2018, 06:22 PM
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I did edit and use the above letter to send to my MP and the reply was thus:
Thank you for contacting me about the draft Animal Welfare (Licensing of Activities Involving Animals) (England) Regulations 2018.
I understand that the panel formed to advise on the drafting of the regulations was comprised largely of representatives from local authorities and the sector councils: the Equine Sector Council, the Canine and Feline Sector Group and the Companion Animal Sector Council. These groups were tasked with consulting more widely within their sectors, feeding comments back to the panel. As I am sure you appreciate, it would not be possible to have a representative from every industry covered by the regulations on the panel itself, as this would create too large a group to meet or be productive. However, all of the sectors were represented through the sector groups.

DEFRA has received assurances from the members of the panel that bird of prey keepers were consulted as part of the process. Individuals and groups within this area have also fed comments and feedback directly to the Department, which has fed into the drafting of the guidance which will support the regulations.

In regard to the scope of the regulations, they will not apply to birds being kept as pets or for sporting purposes, nor will they capture hobby breeders or conservationists if they are not running a business.
There is a business test in the regulations to separate hobby breeders from those running a business, and this is expanded on in the guidance. A genuine hobbyist who does not make a profit would not be covered. I hope this clarification is helpful.

Under the new regulations, local authority inspectors will need to undertake a training course in inspection to ensure they are suitably qualified. There will be a transitional period to allow inspectors to undertake the training, during which time grandfather rights will apply. This training course will ensure that they are competent to inspect the different types of establishment covered by the regulations.

Thank you again for taking the time to contact me.
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Old 14-04-2018, 09:19 PM
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That is the standard response being received from MPs
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That is the standard response being received from MPs
Obviously.... and I didn't expect any different. I have previously mentioned on this thread the best route to overtake or prevent new legislation coming in, is to use sources such as the 38 degrees team, as this government generally takes notice of public majority petitions and listens to what the public wants far more than previous governments. This has already been proven with the referendum and brexit. The days of the individual canvassing their MP about seemingly trivial aspects under their heavy workload and hectic schedule have pretty much been relegated.
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