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Old 03-03-2018, 04:50 PM
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I know it is hard to stop hunting when a bird is going well, but it might have been a good idea to give her rest and put her weight up. And I probably don't need to tell you this, but what is left of the top mandible is overgrown. ... It's interesting that the beak damage hasn't interfered with its growth? I hope you find a solution. Good luck.
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Old 05-03-2018, 06:34 PM
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Update beak problem.

The falcon is still in a good shape. With this problem he catched more than 20 crows.

So, at first I gave antibiotics... without results.

To clean up the beak , i gave her on advise of the vet. honeycream.

Igumann, recognizes the problem , he advised Lamisil, I put 7 days the cream on the beak. After 3 weeks i did it again.

At the moment i don't if I am on the right way. It is a problem with a long term recovery.
Everyday I clean up the beak, but i would like to put her in breedingchamber.

Who can give me more advise!!! Is this the right treatment

Who can give me advise.
Hi Oppie.As i told you before Dont worie.problem with your falcon be
ak is solved .The skars on the beak are big ONLY because you give her WRONG treetman. Because YOU ask for more advise ,i give you one more .
If this hapening again.imediately react and give her WHAT i TOLD you and how much i told you. Sorry for my English and good luck !
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Old 06-03-2018, 07:20 AM
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Yesterday , I went again to the vet. We took some small parts of the beak for making a fungus culture.

Indeed i used the cream, and Igumann advise a tablet. A tablet is stronger and kills the fungus in the whole body. But tablets gave more side effects...

Igumann, is it still advisable to use to the tablet of Lamisil?

You are convinced that it will recover. Do you have any idea how long it takes?
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Old 06-03-2018, 07:31 AM
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You are already in the process of dealing with the issue with a vet. As I put in my previous post, a culture of the beak was taken. Surely its just a case of waiting for the results of this than treating it blindly and potentially doing more harm than good. The vet has had physical contact with the bird & therefore has a better idea than anyone on the forum of how to deal with the issue. I'd be interested at the results.

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Old 06-03-2018, 03:30 PM
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Yesterday , I went again to the vet. We took some small parts of the beak for making a fungus culture.

Indeed i used the cream, and Igumann advise a tablet. A tablet is stronger and kills the fungus in the whole body. But tablets gave more side effects...

Igumann, is it still advisable to use to the tablet of Lamisil?

You are convinced that it will recover. Do you have any idea how long it takes?
Hello Oppie,

The answer to your questing IF is still advisable to use Lamisil tablets : Yes, you should use the tablets because they give better results. I gave you this advise because YOU ASKED for help!!! The reason that i gave you this advise is that because i already had such a situation(problem) and I solved it in that way-using Lamisil tablets. Your bird isn't sick anymore and I already told you that. What you see on the beak are scars. It'll need atleast couple of months for scars to dissapear and that happens when the beak grows. So dont expect that the scars will be gone over night. This 'disease' demages the tissue really fast,sometimes it needs only 3-5 days for the beak to look like it does on your falcon. I see that you are very suspicious about my knowlegde,there is no need for that. It should be enough that you saved the beak from further demage with Lamisil. Eventhough you used creme instead of tablets, Lamisil still helped. There is no more need for using this medicine because the bird is now healthy.

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Old 06-03-2018, 05:12 PM
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Igumann thanks for your input. I am not suspicious. But I don't have the knowledge and also the vet's don't know what to do.
I am grateful for your advise.
By the way in Holland is difficult to get the Lamisil tablets.

Still I am curious about the the results of the fungusculture.
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Old 06-03-2018, 08:35 PM
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Igumann thanks for your input. I am not suspicious. But I don't have the knowledge and also the vet's don't know what to do.
I am grateful for your advise.
By the way in Holland is difficult to get the Lamisil tablets.

Still I am curious about the the results of the fungusculture.
Is goed.Groeten
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Old 06-03-2018, 10:00 PM
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You are already in the process of dealing with the issue with a vet. As I put in my previous post, a culture of the beak was taken. Surely its just a case of waiting for the results of this than treating it blindly and potentially doing more harm than good. The vet has had physical contact with the bird & therefore has a better idea than anyone on the forum of how to deal with the issue. I'd be interested at the results.

Bradley
He had already taken advice off several vets before opening this thread with inadequate results. Why would vets without any previous knowledge of the condition just because they have been in physical contact with the bird have a better idea than a respected member of the forum who has experienced the same issue and dealt with it successfully?

[QUOTE=oppie;2161805]Igumann thanks for your input. I am not suspicious. But I don't have the knowledge and also the vet's don't know what to do.
I am grateful for your advise.
By the way in Holland is difficult to get the Lamisil tablets.

Lamisil tablets would probably be prescription only whereas you could buy cream off the shelves. Did you suggest to your vet you were advised this treatment as he should have been able to obtain them.
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Old 06-03-2018, 11:20 PM
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He had already taken advice off several vets before opening this thread with inadequate results. Why would vets without any previous knowledge of the condition just because they have been in physical contact with the bird have a better idea than a respected member of the forum who has experienced the same issue and dealt with it successfully?
I'm honestly surprised that you would challenge Bradley's sensible and thoughtful post in this way. Neither the original poster nor the advice giver appear to know each other and so how could either make any judgement about how respected anyone is/is not on this forum?
There are no details about the vet/vets consulted and whether they were specialists who were likely to know anything about birds of prey.
I feel very protective of youngsters on the forum with regard to them receiving the best advice. The sensible course of action, surely, would be to take back to the vet the advice given by a forum member and discuss whether to proceed with it. There are always enormous risks in asking for veterinary advice on an internet forum and, generally speaking, it's best avoided.
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Old 07-03-2018, 12:40 AM
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I'm honestly surprised that you would challenge Bradley's sensible and thoughtful post in this way. Neither the original poster nor the advice giver appear to know each other and so how could either make any judgement about how respected anyone is/is not on this forum?
There are no details about the vet/vets consulted and whether they were specialists who were likely to know anything about birds of prey.
I feel very protective of youngsters on the forum with regard to them receiving the best advice. The sensible course of action, surely, would be to take back to the vet the advice given by a forum member and discuss whether to proceed with it. There are always enormous risks in asking for veterinary advice on an internet forum and, generally speaking, it's best avoided.
I challenged Bradleys post because I didn't think it was sensible and thoughtful. His first and second post on the thread were.
Why would anyone need to know each other to offer respect? I don't know Igumann but have read enough of his posts on this forum to know he is very knowledgeable on wild falcons and falcons in captivity both breeding and flying and especially peregrine subspecies.
Considering you're so protective of youngsters on this forum think back to the Young Irish boy with the barn owl you attacked and the young boy with the "magpie taking kestrel" you attacked with your wolf pack and don't try to confuse my question of one post with an attack on a youngster.
The very clear photographs show that the treatment has worked as described and probably would have been much worse if Igumann hadn't offered the advice. It probably appears much worse than it is but is obviously healing now. There are always risks when asking on a forum for veterinary advice as there are risks for asking any type of advice and as someone who has quite frequently found faults with the judgement of numerous vets then I believe that to be able to physic oneself sometimes to be of the most paramount importance!
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