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Old 16-02-2013, 05:38 PM
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Luggers are far more bird than a Lanner, often compared with the Praire but there is little that connects them apart from having evolved to fill a similar opening.

Problem with the Luggers... Prairies, Gyrs & Aplomados they all seem to share this simular ability to interpret falconry and its carrot on a string principle.
For this reason the Lugger & Prairie has founds itself at the bottom of the desirability list due to its hard to manage nature not being out weighed by looks and skilled falconers.

Its true the bad ones are bad & the good ones kittens, but you should expect
a Falcon that needs to have things carefully explained and its attention maintained at all times.

Biggest hickup with this group of falcons, is they understand there routine very well and are constantly looking for a reason to justify there loyalty to you.
in brief, if they feel you have nothing to offer, they wont take any messing.

One of the most commonest forms of negative behavior often involves the hood, most if not all will hood before a session, knowing that good things are to come, but knowing no further reward is due they will refuse to hood after the ration has been fed, so bear that one in mind when formulating a routine.

Luggers consider themselves no less than the larger sakers, and will happily take rabbits & corvids.

Speed wise they leave the lanner standing, also being more maneuverable and certainly more daring when it comes to negotiating fences, livestock or trees at high speed.
Infact my biggest problem was tail & back pack mounts being constantly clipped suggesting a possible disaster nearing.
Luggers are very tactical, when taking lapwings its more by its positioning behind the target rather than any outflying really.

Luggers dont like slow training sessions that bore them grumpy,
They risk developing a habbit of being grumpy triggered off by a certain part of a routine that should not normally promote conflict.
They might step up fine, leave you time to untie the knot then suddenly go mental without real cause..
so its all about keeping them sweet, giving them the impression good things are round the corner.

Water proofing wise.. there not that bad, most of the talk regarding Lanners, luggers & sakers is Moo..
They are no less suitable for the UK than immature peregrines,
It seems that everyone that flies a Lanner is under the impression they come from somewhere that never rains for weeks at a time & drops to -5 most winter nights.

ps.. Have plenty of spare leashes and block tops.. they fart bubble & cak like Lanners & hobbies and some are a nightmare to keep tiptop.
refreshing to get a very informative reply.........referring to an earlier thread i replied to!!........thank you........i've learned more about luggers from you and good luck with the breeding.

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With respect Jakk I am with David on this one. It is quite possible for a bird to straddle a 4" block with 7" jesses so it matters not a jot that it hasn't happened to date - it can happen.

Tony
100% with you both!!
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Old 23-08-2013, 11:17 PM
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The most immaculate Lugger i have seen was at stonham barns, The little male there is a stunning example of the species.
I expect that bird could catch fish head first & not soak up a drop!

Sadly most of the luggers i have seen are poorly oiled and need a good scrub and are often tatty round the edges.

It seems to be something a lot struggle with.
This is the Luggar you are thinking of..

Http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphoto...16883044_n.jpg
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Old 24-08-2013, 07:12 PM
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If that's him, the photo does not do him justice.

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Old 24-08-2013, 08:29 PM
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For many years GA had some of the founding Lugger breeding stock in the UK, and many, if not most of the existing breeding stock come from his lines. Unfortunately he no longer breeds Luggers as his pairs have become too old, but have friends with his offspring that may in the future breed future stock.
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Old 27-08-2016, 02:29 PM
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Tell me brother if a laggar falcon is waterproof or not?thank u

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Originally Posted by WhiteTail View Post
Luggers are far more bird than a Lanner, often compared with the Praire but there is little that connects them apart from having evolved to fill a similar opening.

Problem with the Luggers... Prairies, Gyrs & Aplomados they all seem to share this simular ability to interpret falconry and its carrot on a string principle.
For this reason the Lugger & Prairie has founds itself at the bottom of the desirability list due to its hard to manage nature not being out weighed by looks and skilled falconers.

Its true the bad ones are bad & the good ones kittens, but you should expect
a Falcon that needs to have things carefully explained and its attention maintained at all times.

Biggest hickup with this group of falcons, is they understand there routine very well and are constantly looking for a reason to justify there loyalty to you.
in brief, if they feel you have nothing to offer, they wont take any messing.

One of the most commonest forms of negative behavior often involves the hood, most if not all will hood before a session, knowing that good things are to come, but knowing no further reward is due they will refuse to hood after the ration has been fed, so bear that one in mind when formulating a routine.

Luggers consider themselves no less than the larger sakers, and will happily take rabbits & corvids.

Speed wise they leave the lanner standing, also being more maneuverable and certainly more daring when it comes to negotiating fences, livestock or trees at high speed.
Infact my biggest problem was tail & back pack mounts being constantly clipped suggesting a possible disaster nearing.
Luggers are very tactical, when taking lapwings its more by its positioning behind the target rather than any outflying really.

Luggers dont like slow training sessions that bore them grumpy,
They risk developing a habbit of being grumpy triggered off by a certain part of a routine that should not normally promote conflict.
They might step up fine, leave you time to untie the knot then suddenly go mental without real cause..
so its all about keeping them sweet, giving them the impression good things are round the corner.

Water proofing wise.. there not that bad, most of the talk regarding Lanners, luggers & sakers is Moo..
They are no less suitable for the UK than immature peregrines,
It seems that everyone that flies a Lanner is under the impression they come from somewhere that never rains for weeks at a time & drops to -5 most winter nights.

ps.. Have plenty of spare leashes and block tops.. they fart bubble & cak like Lanners & hobbies and some are a nightmare to keep tiptop.
Can a laggar falcon hunt a big prey like rooster or duck
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Old 27-08-2016, 03:00 PM
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Default Re: Luggars or laggar falcons

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Originally Posted by WhiteTail View Post
Luggers are far more bird than a Lanner, often compared with the Praire but there is little that connects them apart from having evolved to fill a similar opening.

Problem with the Luggers... Prairies, Gyrs & Aplomados they all seem to share this simular ability to interpret falconry and its carrot on a string principle.
For this reason the Lugger & Prairie has founds itself at the bottom of the desirability list due to its hard to manage nature not being out weighed by looks and skilled falconers.

Its true the bad ones are bad & the good ones kittens, but you should expect
a Falcon that needs to have things carefully explained and its attention maintained at all times.

Biggest hickup with this group of falcons, is they understand there routine very well and are constantly looking for a reason to justify there loyalty to you.
in brief, if they feel you have nothing to offer, they wont take any messing.

One of the most commonest forms of negative behavior often involves the hood, most if not all will hood before a session, knowing that good things are to come, but knowing no further reward is due they will refuse to hood after the ration has been fed, so bear that one in mind when formulating a routine.

Luggers consider themselves no less than the larger sakers, and will happily take rabbits & corvids.

Speed wise they leave the lanner standing, also being more maneuverable and certainly more daring when it comes to negotiating fences, livestock or trees at high speed.
Infact my biggest problem was tail & back pack mounts being constantly clipped suggesting a possible disaster nearing.
Luggers are very tactical, when taking lapwings its more by its positioning behind the target rather than any outflying really.

Luggers dont like slow training sessions that bore them grumpy,
They risk developing a habbit of being grumpy triggered off by a certain part of a routine that should not normally promote conflict.
They might step up fine, leave you time to untie the knot then suddenly go mental without real cause..
so its all about keeping them sweet, giving them the impression good things are round the corner.

Water proofing wise.. there not that bad, most of the talk regarding Lanners, luggers & sakers is Moo..
They are no less suitable for the UK than immature peregrines,
It seems that everyone that flies a Lanner is under the impression they come from somewhere that never rains for weeks at a time & drops to -5 most winter nights.

ps.. Have plenty of spare leashes and block tops.. they fart bubble & cak like Lanners & hobbies and some are a nightmare to keep tiptop.
I heard a lot of time that laggar is the most useless falcon comparing with others falcon laggar falcons do not prey big hunts neither they are as aggressive as they should be ,plzz reply as to its true or not?thanks in advance
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Old 27-08-2016, 04:15 PM
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Here in pakistan falconer hunt chukars,egrets with luggars
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