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Old 22-02-2011, 12:27 PM
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Default Action Against Removal of UK A10 Semi Completes

Not all of you may have followed this thread :-"This is a warning about Imprint Goshawks Re A10." but it contains some serious information regarding Animal Healths (Defra) decision to **** semi-complete A10 breeders certificates.
Please read the issues contained within the above threat and write to your MP and the National Audit Office so we can try and get this decision overturned and the issues examined properly.
If this is not overturned it will be a serious set back for breeders and falconers wanting to buy birds for imprinting !
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Old 22-02-2011, 04:04 PM
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no need all you do is ring your case officer tell them that you are planning to breed said birds
then when you have eggs ring up and let them know they will do all the checks they need then when the birds hatch tell them then when you ring them inform them of ring nubers sex ect

by thios point all the check will of been done on the perant birds and you will get you a10 3 to 4 days later this makeing a bird 13 14 days old sorted

i think its a good thing in one sence as breeders put down one name they say the breed of bird is on the semi eg russian finnish albidus then the a10 comes back saying northen goshawk

Ps you wont over rule it
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Old 22-02-2011, 05:03 PM
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Does this not affect peregrines and other a10 species requiring imprinted chicks?
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Old 22-02-2011, 05:11 PM
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Default Re: Action Against Removal of A10 Semi Completes

At the end of your message you have

''takeing orders 2011 true finnishgos from wildstock ''

If this thread is still on the internet when your eggs hatch and brefore you have an A10 fr the young will you not be breaking the law as you will then be offering for sale Goshawks for which you have no A10


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no need all you do is ring your case officer tell them that you are planning to breed said birds
then when you have eggs ring up and let them know they will do all the checks they need then when the birds hatch tell them then when you ring them inform them of ring nubers sex ect

by thios point all the check will of been done on the perant birds and you will get you a10 3 to 4 days later this makeing a bird 13 14 days old sorted

i think its a good thing in one sence as breeders put down one name they say the breed of bird is on the semi eg russian finnish albidus then the a10 comes back saying northen goshawk

ps you wont over rule it
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Old 22-02-2011, 05:56 PM
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no need all you do is ring your case officer tell them that you are planning to breed said birds
then when you have eggs ring up and let them know they will do all the checks they need then when the birds hatch tell them then when you ring them inform them of ring nubers sex ect

by thios point all the check will of been done on the perant birds and you will get you a10 3 to 4 days later this makeing a bird 13 14 days old sorted

i think its a good thing in one sence as breeders put down one name they say the breed of bird is on the semi eg russian finnish albidus then the a10 comes back saying northen goshawk

ps you wont over rule it

will all of the breeders been informed of this or just the ones that have read this thread

Atb
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Old 22-02-2011, 06:03 PM
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At the end of your message you have

''takeing orders 2011 true finnishgos from wildstock ''

If this thread is still on the internet when your eggs hatch and brefore you have an A10 fr the young will you not be breaking the law as you will then be offering for sale Goshawks for which you have no A10
That's right, I think most breeders are overlooking this point !

If anyone thinks they're going to get an A10 by the time a chick is 13 days old they're kidding themselves and are also overlooking an increase in costs of something like 3 or 400% at best ! AH have a target of 15 working days to process applications so this is what will be quoted when you phone up to moan about not getting your A10's in time !
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Old 22-02-2011, 06:05 PM
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no need all you do is ring your case officer tell them that you are planning to breed said birds
then when you have eggs ring up and let them know they will do all the checks they need then when the birds hatch tell them then when you ring them inform them of ring nubers sex ect

by thios point all the check will of been done on the perant birds and you will get you a10 3 to 4 days later this makeing a bird 13 14 days old sorted

i think its a good thing in one sence as breeders put down one name they say the breed of bird is on the semi eg russian finnish albidus then the a10 comes back saying northen goshawk

ps you wont over rule it
Wayne,if we all did this ,with the cut backs that AH have in place wont there be some sort of delay,to much work for fewer members of staff?things were just fine as it was.the semi complete are at your hand ready for use,having to phone up and order A10s is fine if things went to plan but if you had problems like what i had,AH not stamping the envolope with some semis in and then being at the gpo for 10 days then what happens to your imprints? i know hopefully that it was a one off but it could happen agaain if they get overworked with the sudden demand for A10s. my MP just got time for the claims scandal dont fancy going to see him but its what every1 needs to do.dave
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Old 22-02-2011, 06:05 PM
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ps you wont over rule it
Well, I have before !!
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Old 22-02-2011, 06:29 PM
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Gary is there any way you could see AH grant a dispensation for imprints if enough folks complained etc. Even if this was some kind of compromise rather than them reversing their decision if they wont budge on it?

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Old 22-02-2011, 08:13 PM
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A10 certs are EU CITES commercial transaction certificates. If you offer to raise and imprint a 10 day old schedule 4 chick for the hard pressed breeder who is too busy to imprint chicks himself, out of the goodness of your heart, you are not breaking the law. Should you once the chick is hard penned be so attached to it that you wish to buy it the breeder may sell the bird to you with the necassary A10 document that he now has in his possession. Remember WCA registration documents will be needed as well.
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