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Old 29-02-2008, 06:29 PM
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Default Schedule 4 Bird Registration-Action Needed

Just received this, below, good news but action needed by everyone to make sure this happens !

Dear All
Important message for all falconers. So pass it on. If anyone wants to discuss, please call. This needs urgent action.

I can now confirm that Defra England and Wales plans to remove registration on all falconry species with the exception of goshawks and golden eagles. This will take the form of a statutary instrument expected to become law on 1st October 2008. The minister, Joan Ruddock, has stated that with a very few exceptions (including the two above) the possession of an Article 10 certificate is sufficient legislation to protect wild raptors. The remaining species are being retained either because the population is uncertain (goshawk) or low (eagle - remember there are none in England and Wales).

Scotland will be a different case unless we act now. The Scottish Executive is being lobbied hard by conservation bodies including the RSPB to act in isolation and keep the peregrine on Schedule 4 north of the border. This would cause problems for breeders, and be equally problematic for visitors. Currently you are permitted to go north with a peregrine without having to re-register it. How Scotland will view this rule if they are the only devolved government to keep registration is unknown.

Scottish breeders will be lumbered with costs that are anti-competitive and will suffer accordingly. Defra, seeking to slim down the department responsible, will have to run a Scottish only section (unless Scotland create their own). Or, and this is a real issue, Defra England will be forced to keep the peregrine on the Schedule in deference to Scotland.

Hawk Board and breeders have fought long and hard for this relaxation and are not willing to see it slip from our grasp at the eleventh hour. It is good for falconry and continues our efforts to make sure we remain one of the most unregulated falconry nations in Europe. Remember, it is very easy for ministers to say no and keep the status quo; it is very tough for them to risk unpopularity and make such changes. We should applaud Joan Ruddock's determination.

So if you are either in Scotland or visit for hawking, please put the case for parity with the rest of the UK. You might make the following points, stating why you are writing (breeder, regular visitor for falconry, etc.):

I am very concerned that the Scottish Executive contemplates retaining the peregrine falcon as a registerable species when England and Wales plan to de-list it. It is a UK species and cannot be regionally proscribed. The Defra Minister, Joan Ruddock MP, has taken a very pragmatic view based on fact not emotion, and this must be applauded. We hope the Scottish Executive will do the same. It is a fact that:
  • the peregrine is not endangered in the UK
  • the population shows a countrywide year-on year-growth
  • thefts (for falconry) are at an all time low
  • population pockets where growth is slow or reduced are not as a result of thefts (for falconry)
  • captive breeding (coupled with DNA testing) has reduced thefts (for falconry)
  • protectionist bodies have raised the peregrine to iconic levels over and above other species in far greater need of protection
  • Article 10 certificates provide more than adequate data on which to base a prosecution
On the basis of these facts, coupled with submissions from the Hawk Board and statements by the Minister at Westminster parliamentary questions and adjournment debates, we see no reason for its continued inclusion in Scotland. This would lead to confusion and legislative costs at a time when government is continually seeking ways to reduce red tape. We hope that the facts prevail when making the final decision.

The contact details are as follows:

Hugh Dignon Head of Nature Conservation 0131 244 7574 hugh.dignon@scotland.gsi.gov.uk
Michael Russell SMP, Minister for the Environment michael.russell@scotland.gsi.gov.uk
The Scottish Government
Victoria Quay
Edinburgh EH6 6QQ

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Old 29-02-2008, 07:01 PM
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Gary,

Can I presume your efforts and determination are behind this sensible and common sense approach by DEFRA.

If you are then you are to be applauded for your efforts.

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Old 29-02-2008, 07:08 PM
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This is now the Ministers stance so it is very good news for all of us

Please can I ask as many of you to respond to the Scottish Problem ASAP Thank you

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Old 29-02-2008, 07:19 PM
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Gary,

Can I presume your efforts and determination are behind this sensible and common sense approach by DEFRA.

If you are then you are to be applauded for your efforts.

Shaun.
I am always up there fighting but I would say the Hawk Board has made this possible with their pressure on the Minister and it looks like the RSPB put a little too much pressure on this time and were pushing a case that was plainly not true and Government has seen that.
As Nick Kester says in his letter, we have to also thank Joan Ruddock too for being brave enough to stand up to the might of the RSPB and make the decision ! We as a group have to make sure she never regrets that decision and I'm sure she wont be put in that position.
There is now one last stand, Scotland, we need to make sure we do everything we can to get the Scottish Government to follow suit !
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I am always up there fighting but I would say the Hawk Board has made this possible with their pressure on the Minister and it looks like the RSPB put a little too much pressure on this time and were pushing a case that was plainly not true and Government has seen that.
As Nick Kester says in his letter, we have to also thank Joan Ruddock too for being brave enough to stand up to the might of the RSPB and make the decision ! We as a group have to make sure she never regrets that decision and I'm sure she wont be put in that position.
There is now one last stand, Scotland, we need to make sure we do everything we can to get the Scottish Government to follow suit !
This is good news for us all, at last some common sense has prevailed.
I'm so pleased that someone with common sense has dared to stand up to the RSPB, they need knocking down a peg or two.
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This is good news for us all, at last some common sense has prevailed.
I'm so pleased that someone with common sense has dared to stand up to the RSPB, they need knocking down a peg or two.
ONLY ONE PEG OR TWO, HOW ABOUT OUT FOR GOOD............
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This is probably one of the most important things to happen to UK Falconry ever.
The 1994 de-registrations was good but this is beyond our wildest dreams even though we have fought tooth and nail for it and provided evidence that the RSPB were misleading the Government with their twisted versions of what was happening regarding Peregrine thefts at the hands of Falconers.

Yesterday we had a meeting with DEFRA in Bristol the meeting was very successful and we put our points over well and we had the opportunity to make our concerns heard and understood by the right people. However we were told at the end of the meeting that what had been said and agreed in that room were to be treated in the strictest confidence until an official announcement was made otherwise I would have told you last night what had happened.

Now we have to get the Scottish Government on our side as well as there are a lot of implications that will effect us if they do not side with England and Wales. The main problems will be:
1, Breeders in Scotland will still have to register their Birds and this will put an extra expense on them that will put them in an unfair situation not only with UK sales but in Exports . Especially if Scotland go for full recovery of costs.
2, what will their stance be for Falconers who travel to Scotland for Hawking Holidays. Will they have to register their birds in Scotland to enable them to be Hunted there?

We all signed their petition regarding the banning of Falconry in Scotland some time back but your help is needed now please don't think it is OK because others will do it. We need you all to get on their case just as the members of the RSPB and other protectionist groups are doing.

So come on Guy's lets have some feed back and get writing those letters

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ONLY ONE PEG OR TWO, HOW ABOUT OUT FOR GOOD............
Have patience my good man one step at a time. They have no idea what is going to hit them very soon, well that is a lie they have some idea but they just don't know how much trouble they will be in when it is all revealed.
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A major significance of todays announcement is the fact that Defra have rejected the advice of their scientific advisors, the JNCC. This will be a major blow to them and questions should be asked as to the "mis-information" that this scientific body has put forward, in the main, pedalling the untruths of the RSPB !
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