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Old 24-04-2013, 08:32 PM
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Old 24-04-2013, 08:35 PM
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Condition is all it is. I agree.

How do you judge condition? Is a fat bird in a good hunting condition? You are looking for maximum endurance, maximum strength, maximum motivation. Strength and endurance means you should train a bird aerobically and anaerobically. It gets complicated. These things are not achieved by flying fat birds. Neither are they achieved by flying lean ones.

One has to train a bird to achieve optimum hunting performance. You cant train fat or thin birds effectively. The scale is a final confirmation of condition after you have determined it by the bird's behaviour and keel.

Birds are like boxers. There is an ideal fighting weight for each one.

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I agree entirely to a point in this post mate. Your right. However, there is more to it all than just that.

eg. Weather man says minus 1 tonight. Bird flew well, fed quail but had been on rabbit all week. Weather man was wrong. Quite warm considering through the night. Day after scales read correct weight. "keel felt good too " bird flys like a sack of sh ite... Why??
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Old 24-04-2013, 08:37 PM
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Perfect answer to me... I'd like to add : determining the flying weight can only be done by behaviour/responses observation, thus you really need to know the right interpretation of bird's behaviour and cross it with a given weight... not all have to do with body weight as they are not mechanics.
A mentor is crucial in teaching right interpretations and to point out where to look and what to observe... Attending other falconers flights and seeing as many hawks as possible helps too... The weight can have big variations according to seasons. Some birds will fly/hunt full weight in some cases being the exception to the rule.
Some believe by diminishing full weight with a 15 % or 20 % weight loss rule, could be true but it depends mosltly on each individual.
To answer the thread question in few words : by observing/interpreting bird's behaviour !
If Falconry is really an Art, you get the gift by intuition ! And you get this intuition by a mentor !
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"I'd like to add : determining the flying weight can only be done by behaviour/responses observation, thus you really need to know the right interpretation of bird's behaviour and cross it with a given weight... not all have to do with body weight as they are not mechanics".

I agree with that to the extent that I prefer not to weigh any hawk until she's performing as I want her to. Once she's flying well, I weigh her for reference, and then forget about the scales for a while longer, as they can be a distraction.
Far too many falconers have reduced the art to nothing more than 'weight control'.

And you were worried that you might have said something wrong?

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Old 24-04-2013, 08:44 PM
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I agree entirely to a point in this post mate. Your right. However, there is more to it all than just that.

eg. Weather man says minus 1 tonight. Bird flew well, fed quail but had been on rabbit all week. Weather man was wrong. Quite warm considering through the night. Day after scales read correct weight. "keel felt good too " bird flys like a sack of sh ite... Why??
100% Dean. Weather is a major factor! Appetite and motivation diminishes with heat. No arguments from me.

I see it even more that you guys maybe do. We fly display hawks all year round. I now have to tweak weights down that were working fine in winter, even though the birds are moulting.
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100% Dean. Weather is a major factor! Appetite and motivation diminishes with heat. No arguments from me.
Its great on here int it pal.

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Old 24-04-2013, 08:48 PM
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Aaaah! The moult. I guess Dean...
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Aaaah! The moult. I guess Dean...
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Birds are like boxers. There is an ideal fighting weight for each one.
Good point (for once, lol), just as there is a basal metabolic rate, there is a basal weight. But even for the fly weight, there is a flier weight - yet the fly weight will never be able to be a heavy weight, even if he's the same height.

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"I'd like to add : determining the flying weight can only be done by behaviour/responses observation, thus you really need to know the right interpretation of bird's behaviour and cross it with a given weight... not all have to do with body weight as they are not mechanics".

I agree with that to the extent that I prefer not to weigh any hawk until she's performing as I want her to. Once she's flying well, I weigh her for reference, and then forget about the scales for a while longer, as they can be a distraction.
Far too many falconers have reduced the art to nothing more than 'weight control'.

And you were worried that you might have said something wrong?

Best wishes,

Tony.
You are then an Artist Tony... I know a few doing so and I always shared this way ! Measuring quality and quantity of food to give to reach the right performances (and weight) is part of the Art... Instinctive and Intuitive...
Powerfull Flights and accessory killing game is what talks best !
I am not worried anymore !
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You's boy make things WAY to complicated
If they're willing to hunt thats good enough for me I think repetition has a BIGGER impact than MANY think

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